tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post7701268934882884530..comments2023-10-10T09:50:58.264-07:00Comments on Pulp Fiction Reviews: JOHN CARTER and the GODS OF HOLLYWOODRon Fortierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13309149554499286208noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-28982006322733049452013-08-05T08:06:57.073-07:002013-08-05T08:06:57.073-07:00also... the book doesnt say Stanton is infallible....also... the book doesnt say Stanton is infallible... Stanton definitly was responsible for some of the things that went wrong (according to the book) but the bulk of the problems were the fault of the Disney Corporate Machine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-3280681049245387852013-08-05T08:01:14.571-07:002013-08-05T08:01:14.571-07:00Ummm... Jay nobody is talking about an area 51 lev...Ummm... Jay nobody is talking about an area 51 level conspiracy... or really any conspiracy at all.<br /><br />We are talking about corporate politics, rivalries, and otehr stuff like that.<br /><br />Looking at more recent disney projects such as the upcoming star wars stuff, and the lone ranger (a movie with half hte special effects as john carter, yet the exact same budget) its clear that disney is having problems<br /><br />1. they dont know how to manage budgets.<br /><br />2. they sunk John Carter because they got star wars and didnt feel the need to have something like it.<br /><br />Its just corporate politics man. For example you are right... they did rely on Stanton for some of the marketing ideas.<br /><br />However... taht was an idiot move, Stantons job is to direct and write, not to market.<br /><br />Overburdening the director is a bad move, making him do something that he doesnt know how to do... that is an even worse one.<br /><br />By the way, if you read the book (which sources all its information) you would know that Stanton... was NOT free of corporate oversight.<br /><br />From your Comments Jay... I am forced to assume you didnt read this book, and just made up in your mind what you think is in it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-1495206309979227112013-03-09T06:41:24.428-08:002013-03-09T06:41:24.428-08:00Ron, you've piqued my interest in reading this...Ron, you've piqued my interest in reading this book. I too love that darned movie! I've watched it often and am entertained by it each and every time. The utter lack of tie-in materials and toys is proof-positive that Disney had no intention of supporting and/or cross-marketing the property, as all of that needed to be in the pipeline before production wrapped on the project. Worse, I keep imagining an animated spin-off series that will never happen (at least, at Disney)! The fact that Disney execs left a LOT of money on the table speaks to their negligence, willful or otherwise.Ed McKeoghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10588727147801844225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-58564614401120790182013-03-08T15:42:44.587-08:002013-03-08T15:42:44.587-08:00"Any further postings from you will be delete..."Any further postings from you will be deleted."<br /><br />"I have to laugh at people who make snarky remarks on other people's blogs and then sign their comments, Anonymous."<br /><br />That's not good. I found the article and all its comments interesting.it doesn't matterhttp://www.facebook.com/ilari.aarnionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-26846194132398322792013-03-05T09:46:05.025-08:002013-03-05T09:46:05.025-08:00A Reply to Jay
Hay Jay - I saw your post and have...A Reply to Jay<br /><br />Hay Jay - I saw your post and have to wonder who you are - everyone I've spoken to loves the movie once they've seen it no thanks to the way it was marketed - in fact people spent over 300 million dollars of their hard earned money and counting to see this movie - the book brings out the clear fact that if less was spent on the shooting of the movie there would have been a nice profit even with the poor marketing - in fact contrary to your reasoning other 'success' movies had far less ticket sales and far fewer people went to see them - people as you say voted with their dollars to see this great movie with far more enthusiasm than other lower budget ‘success’ movies - if as you say there is no conspiracy then the egotistical snobs at Disney will shoot a sequel at far less cost and use some of the resources already in play from the original and make some money!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-72781171250946847002013-03-01T22:52:05.284-08:002013-03-01T22:52:05.284-08:00Excellent excellent review Ron! My thoughts exactl...Excellent excellent review Ron! My thoughts exactly!! Nightshadesirishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18018113945783809680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-2224297605010991992013-03-01T17:43:01.322-08:002013-03-01T17:43:01.322-08:00I have to laugh at people who make snarky remarks ...I have to laugh at people who make snarky remarks on other people's blogs and then sign their comments, Anonymous.<br />So much for the courage of one's conviction. A more appropriate tag would be Gutless Coward. Feel free to wear that one as your Badge of Honor. ;-)Ron Fortierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13309149554499286208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-48594201776994598592013-03-01T17:23:48.568-08:002013-03-01T17:23:48.568-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-90717952812955152772013-03-01T16:55:26.519-08:002013-03-01T16:55:26.519-08:00Whether part of the failed marketing strategy or s...Whether part of the failed marketing strategy or something else, what got me more than anything else was failing to mention Edgar Rice Burroughs or the rich (pulp) history behind John Carter.<br />I heard people in the theater after the movie complain that Carter was ripping off Star Wars and other famous flicks when it was actually the other way around!<br />John Carter was first, and in some cases MUCH better than some of the science-fiction foisted upon us in these modern times.Lee Houston, Juniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12475777434105490241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-43038035213959377172013-03-01T16:54:24.415-08:002013-03-01T16:54:24.415-08:00Jay, you can spin your wheels as long as you like ...Jay, you can spin your wheels as long as you like but what you keep ignoring, most likely on purpose, is the end result being, JOHN CARTER is a damn good movie. Its quite obvious to me you disagree with that and can thereby defend these negative critiques which are totally bogus.<br />Sellers NEVER ONCE charges any conspiracy, that's your phrase here, again, defending people who did have clear cut, logical reasons for allowing this movie to fail...without an serious reason to believe they would ever be jailed for their actions. God, I can't believe you said that. Anyways, this is where your rant ends. Sorry you didn't like the movie, but millions of others did and you are wrong. Any further postings from you will be deleted. I'd strongly suggest you go write your own review, I'm sure the big-wigs at Disney would get appreciate your loyalty.Ron Fortierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13309149554499286208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-25558059208183469882013-03-01T16:32:16.375-08:002013-03-01T16:32:16.375-08:00That's nowhere close to true, nor a reasonable...That's nowhere close to true, nor a reasonable facsimile of reality. Disney hired a marketing team for John Carter of Mars, but Stanton shot down ideas via--this is a direct quote--a "death by a thousand cuts." He had the idea that the movie should be marketed to "preserve the mystery," resulting in a muddled marketing campaign that failed to gin up widespread audience interest. He famously quipped about he and his crew were directing the movie better than live-action crews. It doesn't look to me as if Stanton understood his own product. Word of mouth--which had been enough to render previous critically excoriated films Titanic and Casino Royale massively profitable--failed to materialize for Stanton's at best middling effort. This Area 51-level conspiracy theory where Bob Iger, Rich Ross, and Co. sat down and decided to do their best to destroy a $350 million investment for reasons discernible only by those who know what David Rockefeller, the New World Order, and the Bildeburg Group have planned for world do,inaction exists nowhere but in the minds of Stanton and like minded fanboys justifiably chagrined their favorite movie failed. It's no more real than ERB's Barsoom. Disney is a corporation which under the federal law known as the Sarbanes-Oxley Act must periodically inform shareholders of potential profit losses. As such, it has no incentive to see any of its films--particularly a high-profile project such as John Carter of Mars--fail. What happened was that Stanton didn't make movie with mass appeal and overreached, doing exactly as he liked free of Disney's oversight. The result was a disaster. Stanton didn't understand his product, and the results were to be expected. Stanton's sole purpose in writing that book was to place the onus for the movie's failure on the shoulders of everyone involved lacking the initials AS. His tome is a fan boy's adulatory wet dream of Stanton's apparent infallibility and the eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil corporate heads at Disney who for some reason wanted to potentially hurt their corporation's profitability and possibly famous mammoth fines and lengthy prison sentences under federal law to destroy a massive investment. There is no reality to this view. It's simply a conspiracy theory dreamed up by someone who can't take the fact that the whole world didn't cotton to this movie as he did.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055425258783690163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-91174577285473486872013-03-01T15:29:41.688-08:002013-03-01T15:29:41.688-08:00https://www.facebook.com/groups/backtobarsoom/?fre...https://www.facebook.com/groups/backtobarsoom/?fref=ts Come join us . I have been a member of the group since March 2012Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-63743266672349773942013-03-01T15:29:06.544-08:002013-03-01T15:29:06.544-08:00Here you go, C.E. Make sure to sign on and get all...Here you go, C.E. Make sure to sign on and get all your friends to do so too.<br />(https://www.facebook.com/groups/backtobarsoom/?ref=ts&fref=ts)Ron Fortierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13309149554499286208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-69948005001145244912013-03-01T15:25:35.725-08:002013-03-01T15:25:35.725-08:00Jay, Sellers list dates and numbers from the start...Jay, Sellers list dates and numbers from the start, people being hired, who had no clue what their product was, then being fired willy-nilly. Your defense of these people is baseless, refusing to see that all of them, from Ron Ross on down had a very real reason of self-interest to see the film flop. Period.<br />I may not be a Hollywood mogul, but I know the first rule of Marketing...KNOW YOUR PRODUCT. And no one, one one individual at Disney Marketing bothered to even look up the book this film was based on, let alone read it. DUH. My Marketing Professor, would have given them all an F. Instead they put it on Stanton, who was only person in this tale doing what he was hired to do in the first place. To bad nobody else did.<br /><br /><br />Ron Fortierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13309149554499286208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-43647385277459252162013-03-01T15:05:00.336-08:002013-03-01T15:05:00.336-08:00Barsoom fb page?! Link please!Barsoom fb page?! Link please!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596934570562465065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-47009197486809461162013-03-01T14:39:57.979-08:002013-03-01T14:39:57.979-08:00The argument you seem to be making is that Disney ...The argument you seem to be making is that Disney green lit the project and then actively tried to destroy. Never mind the fact that the Mouse gave a director with no live-action experience an exorbitant budget, made no attempt to oversee Stanton's project or rein him in, and marketed it cryptically per his instruction. Prerelease projections were not rosy, and Disney under a law Sellers ignores--Sarbanes-Oxley--had to declare its losses so shareholders could make an educated decision on what to do with their stocks based on Disney's financial report at the end of 2012 Q1--something the movie's more rabid fans refuse to acknowledge. I'm sorry, but Sellers and his fans may have constructed a fantasy universe wherein a massive corporation like Disney thinks it's good business to destroy a $350 million investment. That doesn't match reality though. John Carter of Mars failed for a myriad of reasons. A shadowy cabal led by Disney brass wasn't one except in a universe filled with gray alien abductions and black helicopters.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055425258783690163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-85232334941024719042013-03-01T13:28:44.417-08:002013-03-01T13:28:44.417-08:00I know exactly what you mean, C.E. but I hope you&...I know exactly what you mean, C.E. but I hope you'll add your voice to all of ours by joining the "Back to Barsoom" FB page...and thanks.Ron Fortierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13309149554499286208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36899342.post-16043740486232861542013-03-01T13:15:58.453-08:002013-03-01T13:15:58.453-08:00I can't read this book. It will just make me a...I can't read this book. It will just make me angry- because "John Carter" is such a fantastic movie. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596934570562465065noreply@blogger.com